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Craigslist’s Allegations Of “Copyright” Violations Thrown Out

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NEW YORK, NY – NOVEMBER 09: TV personality Stephen Colbert (L) and Craigslist CEO Craig Newmark attend IAVA’s Fifth Annual Heroes Gala at Cipriani 42nd Street on November 9, 2011 in New York City. (Image credit: via @daylife)

Craiglist has long been criticized for a failure to innovate (it has also been criticized for having among the “most draconian” terms of services of any major website on the internet). And instead of innovating, it has chosen to go after new market participants that have wanted to use Craigslist’s data on classified postings.

One of these websites is www.padmapper.com, which was sued for obtaining Craigslist’s data and placing it on a map. This allows for users to more easily aggregate, browse and search all available apartments across various services

Padmapper took a series of data points: cost of apartment, location, size and 1BR-4BR type of information, and allowed for customers to search on that basis. And when customers found what they wanted, they would click and be directed back to Craigslist to read the full posting and complete the transaction – thus potentially generating Craigslist new customers and more satisfied sellers. Seems like a win-win.

In addition to the copyright charge, Craigslist has gone after Padmapper and other websites for violating their terms of service (ToS) and the Computer Fraud & Abuse Act (CFAA). In Craigslist’s ToS they allow for websites like Google and Bing to “scrape” and index their website, but do not allow for other non general indexing websites to do so.

Craigslist has used the threat of copyright infringement as a sledgehammer to scare innovators from competing with Craigslist by using its data. Copyright infringement penalties are stark, so being found liable here would potentially lead to trillions of dollars in damage – yes trillions. The problem is, despite Craigslist using the threat of copyright violation to go after these new companies – Craigslist never retained copyright to begin with. And today a federal court made that clear. In Los Angeles a California federal judge dismissed the copyright claims against Padmapper and other companies on the basis of them not even having copyright to begin with.

Craigslist was claiming:

  1. That it retained copyright to postings made by its customers; and
  2. That taking these data points of cost and location constituted infringement.

By a consensus of legal experts (see EFF, PK, and Techdirt’s commentary), these claims were vacuous, but they have been successfully used to scare would be competitors. But perhaps Craigslist’s days of using false threats to scare new start-ups is over.

Its claim that it has a copyright to its customers’ postings is new information to its customers. How would you feel knowing that if you posted your resume on Craigslist that Craigslist now has copyright to your resume?

While customers granted Craigslist a license, they never granted Craigslist their copyright. The license was not an “exclusive license” (other than a small window that isn’t the basis of ongoing litigation). Further, Padmapper and other websites taking these data points is clearly within the limits of Feist and other Supreme Court cases establishing that data points are not copyright-able (Feist is one seminal case but other cases may be more up-to-date with current jurisprudence).

In laymen’s terms, Craigslist never had the copyright and taking the data points isn’t infringement.

It’s very good news that these charges were dismissed, hopefully this will discourage Craigslist from going after the next competitor with baseless charges.

But this isn’t the end of the legal issues. Craigslist is still forcefully pursuing on ToS and CFAA (some of the CFAA allegations were thrown out, but not all of them).  It’s curious that a company that prominently displays opposition to the CFAA and encourages customers to get involved to fix the CFAA, is at the same time suing start-ups for violating the CFAA for precisely the problems for which tech activists have ridiculed the CFAA, and, in particular, its application against Aaron Swartz. That problem being, according to tech activists, the CFAA should not be implicated merely for violating the terms of service of a website – terms that until recently prohibited all minors from accessing Google, that still require you to fill your Facebook with accurate data, or that require your profile on dating websites to be completely accurate.  If companies like Craigslist want to be on the right side of fixing this law, then they should practice what they preach.

Furthermore, Craigslist’s ToS include liquidated damages for “scraping” their website at $25,000 per incident – an incredible sum given that liquidated damages are supposed to represent an estimate of actual damage incurred, rather than serve as a penalty. According to Craigslist, over 100 million classified ads run on its site each month. Over the course of a year, this equates to approximately one billion ads online (assuming some repeats). According to this figure, if Craigslist were scraped at least once a day, the potential liability for one scraper under this provision could be as high as $9125 Trillion (365 billion “scrapes” at $25,000 per incident).

Obscenely high damages are not unusual for copyright infringement but for contract law this is insane. Again, liquidated damages are supposed to be an estimate of actual damages – not a penalty.  Their contract represents a good faith belief by Craigslist that scraping their website once a day costs them $9125 trillion – this is beyond belief.  Oppressive terms like these in their ToS should not be tolerated by competitors or consumers – and the internet eco-system should hold market participants accountable for this type of legal scare tactic to stifle innovation.

Going forward, innovators will likely find ways to aggregate and utilize the data without violating the terms of service. The ruling today may have cleared the way for innovators going forward, and hopefully put an end to bad faith and baseless legal threats by Craigslist against competitors. (To be clear, I am not taking a stance on the legality or ethics of scraping from Craigslist, merely observing on the use of a false copyright claim).

Let this be a lesson to tech companies: if you want to copyright user data, you must make it explicit that you are taking users’ data and claiming exclusive ownership of that data. And consumers can decide if they want to stay with you, or go to a competitor who will not claim their resume as intellectual property retained by the website.

As the House Judiciary Committee will hold hearings and considering wholesale revisions to copyright law, it should consider stronger provisions for misusing copyright law for other purposes as displayed here. Using false claims of copyright, for something that a company doesn’t even have copyright ownership of, for the purposes of going after start-ups and competitors should be punishable and discouraged. Copyright law is a giant sledgehammer creating trillions of dollars in liability, if companies are misusing it to shut down competitors, that is something that we can fix and address.  So called, “copyright misuse” or “copyfraud” to scare new market participants should be penalized for what it is – a tax on innovation. And Republicans who have spent decades complaining about outrageous tort claims and calling for wholesale tort reform should want a copyright system that strongly protects legitimate copyright holders but ensures that false copyright claims aren’t abused.

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Property transfer tax pushed as BC election issue

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The Real Estate Board of Greater Vancouver is urging all B.C. property owners and buyers to put the provincial property transfer tax on the hot seat during the upcoming provincial election.
The province introduced the PTT 26 years ago. It was structured to add 1% on the first $200,000 of the purchase price, and 2% on the balance. At that time, only 5% of Metro Vancouver houses sold for $200,000 or more.
Today only 4% of homes sell for under $200,000, yet the PPT hasn’t changed, the Board notes.
The PTT adds $10,000 to a $600,000 home and it is paid each time a property changes hands. When a developer buys raw land, the developer pays the PTT. When a builder buys lots from the developer, the builder pays the PTT. When a home buyer buys a home from the builder, the buyer pays the PTT. Every time that same home is sold, the next buyer pays the PTT.
“It is a cascading tax that never really ends,” said one Board official.
The Board argues it is time the government looked at changing the PPT, perhaps setting a new price ceiling or exempting properties below $400,000, a step toward making homes more affordable.

Nine best deals in cottage country

Wednesday, May 1st, 2013

We survey great escape-type listings to pick “screaming deals” in recreational real estate

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British Columbia‘s recreational real estate market remains in the doldrums with prices in popular vacation destinations now lower than a decade ago – but some realtors see evidence of a spring turnaround.

“I have been getting more calls in the last two weeks than in the last two months,” said Diana Starbuck of Prudential Sussex in Gibsons on the Sunshine Coast, a coastal resort community just north of Vancouver.

Starbuck recently sold a Gibsons waterfront house that was listed at $1.4 million five years ago for $820,000. She believes that aging homeowners in Metro Vancouver are beginning to realize how far their dollar will go in places like the Sunshine Coast.

In the Central Okanagan, February MLS detached sales were down 17.7 per cent from the same month a year earlier according to the BC Real Estate Association (BCREA). Condominium sales plunged 24 per cent and townhouse sales were down a startling 30 per cent from February of 2012 – and that month had seen lower sales than in 2011. The average house price is $354,000, down 1.5 per cent from 2012.

In the South Okanagan, the year-to-date average house price is now $266,610, down 12.4 per cent from a year ago, with sales down by nearly a third.

On Vancouver Island, north of Victoria, MLS sales are down 14.2 per cent and prices are off 6.6 per cent from what was a dismal 2012.

In the Kootenays, some luxury condominiums are discounted 50 per cent from the peak and lakefront cottages at popular Christina Lake are selling for 30 per cent to 40 per cent lower than five years ago, said Jim Greene, vice-president of Red Mountain Resort near Trail.

Greene said even newer condos are selling for around $225 per square foot, compared with $310 per square foot to build. “There are some screaming deals this year.”

Back on the Sunshine Coast, the average detached house price, at $350,500, is 11 per cent lower than five years ago. Starbuck points to a high-end oceanview home near Gibsons that was built for $849,000 in 2009. It is listed now at $649,999. This is about $200,000 below the average detached house price in Vancouver.

On the Gulf Islands, “Waterfront prices are back to 2003,” according to Rich Osborne of LandQuest Realty Ltd.

Cameron Muir, chief economist for the BCREA, said tougher mortgage regulations that require a minimum 20 per cent down payment on secondary homes and a downturn in the Metro Vancouver housing market are both playing a role in slower sales of recreational real estate.

Best deals

Whatever the reason for the slide, it has exposed some of the lowest prices for quality recreational property in years. Western Investor scoured through the recent listings to offer the following examples of what may be the best buys in a bottoming market.

Luxury condo at Red Mountain: A 1,600-square-foot, three-bedroom-with-den view condominium at the Slalom Creek development includes a large deck with hot tub. Originally priced at $619,000 back in 2008, it comes with $70,000 in furniture and is now listed, complete, at $378,000 through Coldwell Bankers, 1st Trail Real Estate.

Six acres in Osoyoos: Zoned for high-density development in the centre of the southern Okanagan resort town, this acreage is approved for 109 lakeview townhomes. It was first listed in July 2011 for $2.5 million. It is now $799,000 through LandQuest Realty.

Riverfront acreage in the East Kootenays: A total of 330 acres along the Columbia River, about three hours west of Calgary. Assessed at more than $1 million three years ago and sold in 2006 for $700,000, it is now offered at $599,000 through LandQuest.

Kootenay carriage estate: This refined 320-acre estate near Cranbrook in the Kootenays features a near-13,000-square-foot house with more than $1 million in furnishings and artwork, quality outbuildings and more. It cost $7.5 million to build. It goes to unreserved auction on July 10 through Grand Estate Auction Co. “The owner needs to sell, and sell now”, said Matt Cameron of LandQuest.

42-acre oceanfront peninsula: Once listed at $1 million, this 42-acre oceanfront peninsula juts off Read Island north of Powell River in the Inside Passage. It has a rough cabin and 7,000 feet of oceanfront. It is listed now for $490,000 through Ed Handja of BCoceanfront.com.

Pacific Rim waterfront: Lyall Point is in the Broken Islands Group off the west coast of Vancouver Island, with easy boat access to Ucluelet and Bamfield. One lot on the Point, once listed at $150,000, covers more than 11 acres with 299 feet of oceanfront. It is now at $74,000 through BCoceanfront.com.

An entire lakeside community for $4 million OBO: At Turtle Lake, two-and-a-half hours from Saskatoon, a whole lakeside community is for sale. “This is a unique opportunity,” said Vern McClelland of Re/Max of Lloydminster. The parcel includes 87 titled lots and two acreage parcels, and 73 of the lots are currently leased to individual tenants. The parcel was assessed at $4 million, land only, in 2012, and it is for sale by tender.

A mountain ghost town for under $1 million: The entire ghost town of Bradian has 22 buildings on 50 acres just four hours from Vancouver and close to Whistler in the Bridge River Valley. It is listed for $995,000 by John Lovelace of Sutton Seafair Realty.

from Western Investor May 2013